Saint Paul Fire Local 21 Honor Guard, Pipes and Drums

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Honor Guard members,

 Tuesday January 17th at 0900 hrs, location station eight.  Current and new members discussed the below topics and have agreed upon the resuscitation of Historic SPFD class A uniform.  This was for many reasons such as historical importance, creating a department class “A”, ease of personnel to join in our out of the Honor Guard, etc. 

 Until we lock down a vendor, all whom do not have a “new” uniform must acquire one that fits best from Station 18 in the computer room and get it tailored and dry-cleaned, keep the receipt and you will be reimbursed.  We have aprox $1,500.00 in our HG savings account.  Our Local 21 union has graciously given us $10,000.00 towards our goal of this important project. 

 A goal for completion of this would be for the instillation part on January 31st.  This would obviously be a time constraint but one that is feasible.  Several of the accessories will be ordered in the next couple of days such as “silver” hatbands or chinstraps.  The one thing we will procrastinate on for the instillation party would be the nickel-plating of our L21 HG hat and coat badges.  This reason is due to the fact we may be using our current HG uniforms (if new ones are not ready) and need the badges to match the buttons on our current jacket.  Nickel-plating can be accomplished in a day.  Hats would be the next big item that needs to be tackled.  I will have a side bar with Golden on the best avenue for this and get back to everyone.  Tailoring instructions are below.  Please print off and bring with to the tailor.

 If any members that were not present for the meeting and has any questions, comments or concerns, please contact me so we can clarify any questions that arise.


     semper ad meliora ~ always towards better things   


·      Discussion on current and prospective uniforms

o   Cost

o   Accessories

§  Belts          Rope

§  Ascot

§  Hatchet

§  Nickel plate current tools

§  Hat bands

o   History

·      Training/Drill

o   Initial?

o   Quarterly?

o   Yearly?

·      FDIC Honor Guard National Competition

o   Interest?

·      IAFF Fallen Fire Fighter Memorial

o   Interest?

o   Attendance?

·      Budget from Union?

·      Fundraising

o   Scarves

o   Ideas?  Hire out to other depts.


·      Pipes and Drums

o   Cost

o   $1240 per Pipe

o   Drums unknown

o   Instructor cost

§  Pipes $20 per 30 min

·      Instructor will do group session

o   Unknown price

§  Drums unknown

o   Website

o   Kilts/Tartans

§  History/Tradition

·      Past LDD member of Irish/British Decent

·      City colors

·      L21 colors?

o   Design



Attendance 1/17/2012: (eight personnel)

Ben Schenck

Keith Golden

Ryan Lyons

Ryan Christopherson

Karen Doyle

Bob Kippels

Jerry Deno

Mike Cox


Bagpipe interest:

John Hall

Ben Schenck

Katie Keegan

Jerry Deno


Drum interest:

Bob Kippels

Karen Doyle




Uniform Tailoring Regulations


1.     Ensure proper fit of clothing.

a.     Note:            The proper fit of any uniform cannot be accomplished when the individual is standing at rigid attention; therefore, the individual should stand erect, but relaxed, with the arms hanging naturally at the sides.

2.     Long sleeve shirts

a.     Note:            Neck size and sleeve lengths determine the fit of long sleeve shirts.  The fit of a quarter length sleeve shirt is determined by the neck size.

                                               i.     The collar of the long sleeved shirt shall fit smoothly around the neck with ½ to 1 inch of ease.

                                              ii.     There shall be ample room around the chest and shoulders to permit free use of the arms without binding.

                                            iii.     The bottom edge of the cuff for the long sleeved shirt shall cover the wrist bone to a point 2 inches above the second joint from the end of the thumb.  A tolerance of ½ inch plus or minus is acceptable.

3.     Trousers.

a.     Note:            The trousers mist fit without looseness or constriction.

                                               i.     Trousers shall be of sufficient looseness around the hips and buttocks topreclude gaping of the pockets and visible horizontal wrinkles in the front near the pelvis.

                                              ii.     The trousers shall be of sufficient length to reach the juncture of the welt of the shoe in the rear.  A variation of ¼ inch above or below the welt is acceptable.

                                            iii.     The legs of the trousers must hang straight from the seat so that fronts will rest on the top of the shoes with a slight break in the lower front crease.  The front length of the trousers shall finish approximately ¾ to 1 inch shorter than the back length.

                                            iv.     There shall be ½ to 1-inch looseness for proper fit and comfort around the waist.

4.    Dress Coat.

a.     Note:  The dress coat is intended to be a semi-form-fitting garment.

                                               i.     The length of the coat must extend below the crotch line approximately ¾ inches.

1.     A coat of excessive length tends to cause the rear vent to flare open while a coat of insufficient length may create an excessive front overlap.

                                              ii.     The back of the coat should hang smoothly, with the rear vent and back seam affecting a straight vertical line.

                                            iii.     The coat should rest easily on the chest without bulges.  The front collar and lapels of the service coat should give a smooth appearance.

                                            iv.     The coat sleeve shall extend to a point 1 inch above the second joint from the end of the thumb, plus or minus ¼ inch and must cover the shirt cuff edge.


Dry Cleaning:

            White Way next to Station 51 is a common uniform cleaner we use.  Make sure to state that a “press cloth?” must be used.  This is used to prevent burning or “shining” the material.


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